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		<title>By: Eric Perkunder</title>
		<link>http://www.slayerespresso.com/2009/03/30/slayer-leveraging-brew-pressure/comment-page-1/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Perkunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Slayer you can set your &quot;pre-infusion&quot; pressure to any level.  It doesn&#039;t matter what your incoming line pressure is. 

Though typically our taste tests suggested a preinfusion of 2.5-3 bars is best, you could set this to anything from as low as 0.5 bars to even 7-8 bars or higher if you so desired. 

You can also set each group to any pre-infusion pressure you want, independently from the others.  So you can have three groups with three distinct pre-infusion pressure sets (assuming you are using a Slayer 3).

AND this works with all three groups brewing at the same time, or with staggered brewing, or whatever.

Slayer and other machines are NOT the same.  Our approach is different with Slayer than it was, say with Treuh (synesso).  This is partly because we grew in our coffee awareness--and what we wanted to highlight in coffee, those notes, especially evident in Ethiopian coffees.  Slayer was not designed JUST to achieve brew temperature stability. 

Seriously,  I wrote something about &quot;reverse engineering from the coffee, into a machine&quot;.  That&#039;s because it REALLY did go like this.  It was great fun.  But the point is this combination of the mechanical valve and this pressure control resulted in coffee that was out of this world--just like we loved it.

Thanks for the questions.  Look forward to the SCAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Slayer you can set your &#8220;pre-infusion&#8221; pressure to any level.  It doesn&#8217;t matter what your incoming line pressure is. </p>
<p>Though typically our taste tests suggested a preinfusion of 2.5-3 bars is best, you could set this to anything from as low as 0.5 bars to even 7-8 bars or higher if you so desired. </p>
<p>You can also set each group to any pre-infusion pressure you want, independently from the others.  So you can have three groups with three distinct pre-infusion pressure sets (assuming you are using a Slayer 3).</p>
<p>AND this works with all three groups brewing at the same time, or with staggered brewing, or whatever.</p>
<p>Slayer and other machines are NOT the same.  Our approach is different with Slayer than it was, say with Treuh (synesso).  This is partly because we grew in our coffee awareness&#8211;and what we wanted to highlight in coffee, those notes, especially evident in Ethiopian coffees.  Slayer was not designed JUST to achieve brew temperature stability. </p>
<p>Seriously,  I wrote something about &#8220;reverse engineering from the coffee, into a machine&#8221;.  That&#8217;s because it REALLY did go like this.  It was great fun.  But the point is this combination of the mechanical valve and this pressure control resulted in coffee that was out of this world&#8211;just like we loved it.</p>
<p>Thanks for the questions.  Look forward to the SCAA.</p>
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		<title>By: luca</title>
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		<dc:creator>luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not terribly mechanically adept, so after reading this I went and had a good play around with this on a Synesso today to try to get my head around it.  With a Synesso, moving the paddle to the middle position results in a pretty rapid drop to inlet water pressure.  So ... it looks to me like the functions that your machine offers over the Synesso are setting the inlet water pressure and allowing a slower drop down to that pressure ... is that right?

I&#039;m just trying to get a feel for what this machine does and does not do.  Can you set a preinfusion pressure higher than your mains water pressure?  For example, if you get 2 bar from the water mains, can you set your machine to preinfuse at 4 bar?  Presumably not, right?  And presumably you can&#039;t have a low preinfusion pressure and an end pressure higher than that?  Can you change the rate at which the pressure tails off?  For example, after going to the middle position, can you have your choice of taking 6 or 11 seconds to reach the inlet water pressure?  Can you still fit a restrictor/gicleur to your machine to slow the pressure ramp up if you turn the paddle to the fully on position?

Sorry for all the questions; feel free to defer answers until SCAA ... at which time I imagine y&#039;all will be quite busy!

Cheers, and best of luck,

Luca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not terribly mechanically adept, so after reading this I went and had a good play around with this on a Synesso today to try to get my head around it.  With a Synesso, moving the paddle to the middle position results in a pretty rapid drop to inlet water pressure.  So &#8230; it looks to me like the functions that your machine offers over the Synesso are setting the inlet water pressure and allowing a slower drop down to that pressure &#8230; is that right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just trying to get a feel for what this machine does and does not do.  Can you set a preinfusion pressure higher than your mains water pressure?  For example, if you get 2 bar from the water mains, can you set your machine to preinfuse at 4 bar?  Presumably not, right?  And presumably you can&#8217;t have a low preinfusion pressure and an end pressure higher than that?  Can you change the rate at which the pressure tails off?  For example, after going to the middle position, can you have your choice of taking 6 or 11 seconds to reach the inlet water pressure?  Can you still fit a restrictor/gicleur to your machine to slow the pressure ramp up if you turn the paddle to the fully on position?</p>
<p>Sorry for all the questions; feel free to defer answers until SCAA &#8230; at which time I imagine y&#8217;all will be quite busy!</p>
<p>Cheers, and best of luck,</p>
<p>Luca</p>
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		<title>By: dsc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

using a VFD and perhaps a custom made driver/programmer would allow the user to use whatever profile he/she wants. The config you guys have is somewhat limited, although still leaving behind most of the coffee machine world.

Would love to come by and chat with you in Atlanta, unfortunately I&#039;m on the other side of the ocean.

Regards,
dsc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>using a VFD and perhaps a custom made driver/programmer would allow the user to use whatever profile he/she wants. The config you guys have is somewhat limited, although still leaving behind most of the coffee machine world.</p>
<p>Would love to come by and chat with you in Atlanta, unfortunately I&#8217;m on the other side of the ocean.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
dsc.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your follow-up.   Slayer&#039;s design enables us to get the fuller body and broader flavor spectrum that we achieved in our sensory tests (really coffee drinking rampages) with a single group prototype.  Slayer happens to use a single pump and motor on a multiple group machine.  Our &quot;technical&quot; objective was a system capable of supporting different levels of pressure at each group, on a multi-group machine, even when all groups are in use simultaneously.   

We avoided using a multi-pump system (variable frequency drive).  Essentially an inverter/rectifier for control, right?  I like simplicity, and everyone here is a veteran of the war that complex espresso machines have been waging on the industry for years, so the tendency is to chose the simplest solution that won&#039;t fail.  That way we can keep our heads in the coffee clouds for longer and only have to infrequently swoop to earth to address something of a &quot;technical nature&quot;.   And hopefully then, it&#039;s just cleaning screens and stuff.

Will someone please ask me what happened when I brewed Duane&#039;s Panama Esmeralda on Slayer?   Or better yet, send me some great coffee! 

Thanks again for your follow-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your follow-up.   Slayer&#8217;s design enables us to get the fuller body and broader flavor spectrum that we achieved in our sensory tests (really coffee drinking rampages) with a single group prototype.  Slayer happens to use a single pump and motor on a multiple group machine.  Our &#8220;technical&#8221; objective was a system capable of supporting different levels of pressure at each group, on a multi-group machine, even when all groups are in use simultaneously.   </p>
<p>We avoided using a multi-pump system (variable frequency drive).  Essentially an inverter/rectifier for control, right?  I like simplicity, and everyone here is a veteran of the war that complex espresso machines have been waging on the industry for years, so the tendency is to chose the simplest solution that won&#8217;t fail.  That way we can keep our heads in the coffee clouds for longer and only have to infrequently swoop to earth to address something of a &#8220;technical nature&#8221;.   And hopefully then, it&#8217;s just cleaning screens and stuff.</p>
<p>Will someone please ask me what happened when I brewed Duane&#8217;s Panama Esmeralda on Slayer?   Or better yet, send me some great coffee! </p>
<p>Thanks again for your follow-up.</p>
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		<title>By: dsc.</title>
		<link>http://www.slayerespresso.com/2009/03/30/slayer-leveraging-brew-pressure/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>dsc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

what do you have to do to get the slope drop at the end? move the lever back into the mid position?

Simply out of curiosity, why didn&#039;t you use the inverter-driven-motor idea to control pressure? 

Regards,
dsc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>what do you have to do to get the slope drop at the end? move the lever back into the mid position?</p>
<p>Simply out of curiosity, why didn&#8217;t you use the inverter-driven-motor idea to control pressure? </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
dsc.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the question.  &quot;A&quot; represents what happen during the last part of the shot.  A sub 1 represents constant full pressure to the end of the shot.   A sub 2 shows tapering pressure to to the end of the shot, so basically pressure drops off to the end of the shot.   A sub 1 is the &quot;standard&quot; profile that most people are familiar with.   Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the question.  &#8220;A&#8221; represents what happen during the last part of the shot.  A sub 1 represents constant full pressure to the end of the shot.   A sub 2 shows tapering pressure to to the end of the shot, so basically pressure drops off to the end of the shot.   A sub 1 is the &#8220;standard&#8221; profile that most people are familiar with.   Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: dsc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys,

what does A1 and A2 mean on the diagram?

Sounds like the whole idea is a merge of a spring fitted preinfusion chamber (slow pressure build up) and a standard delay preinfusion (flat bit on the diagram). Correct me if I&#039;m wrong.

Regards,
dsc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>what does A1 and A2 mean on the diagram?</p>
<p>Sounds like the whole idea is a merge of a spring fitted preinfusion chamber (slow pressure build up) and a standard delay preinfusion (flat bit on the diagram). Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
dsc.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Perkunder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Perkunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slayer will be on dynamic display in Atlanta, just a few short weeks from now!  Both the 2 group and 3 group will make their World debut.  We think you will like these machines a lot.  So we are strongly encouraging everyone to come prepared to brew, steam, and knock back some wicked espressos.   Can&#039;t wait to see you there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slayer will be on dynamic display in Atlanta, just a few short weeks from now!  Both the 2 group and 3 group will make their World debut.  We think you will like these machines a lot.  So we are strongly encouraging everyone to come prepared to brew, steam, and knock back some wicked espressos.   Can&#8217;t wait to see you there!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Wray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Wray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 05:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we be able to work on the Slayer at SCAA, or at least have shots off of it?  Within two years (hopefully way less, like under a year) we will be getting a new machine at our shop and if this machine is and can do what it sounds like it can than I would make a big push for us to have a Slayer.  What are the available groups again? 2group, 3 group, and 4 group?  Or was there a 1 group option?  Are you willing to discuss pricing yet?

Shoot me an email...
-bry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we be able to work on the Slayer at SCAA, or at least have shots off of it?  Within two years (hopefully way less, like under a year) we will be getting a new machine at our shop and if this machine is and can do what it sounds like it can than I would make a big push for us to have a Slayer.  What are the available groups again? 2group, 3 group, and 4 group?  Or was there a 1 group option?  Are you willing to discuss pricing yet?</p>
<p>Shoot me an email&#8230;<br />
-bry</p>
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